Washington Post
National correspondent
There are few things more on-brand for Democrats than finding and embracing a worst-case scenario. So in the aftermath of California’s failed recall election – an election in which Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) beat the polls by double digits to keep his job – there has been one particular bit of data that has been elevated as a looming crisis: What about the Hispanic vote?
Washington Post columnist León Krauze explored the numbers revealed in exit polling and found an area of concern. “If exit poll numbers hold, Newsom will have seen an eight percentage point drop in support among Latino men,” Krauze wrote. “The shift might not seem sizable, but it carries a clear warning: Latino men have been moving steadily to the right.”
There are few things more on-brand for Democrats than finding and embracing a worst-case scenario. So in the aftermath of California’s failed recall election – an election in which Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) beat the polls by double digits to keep his job – there has been one particular bit of data that has been elevated as a looming crisis: What about the Hispanic vote?
Washington Post columnist León Krauze explored the numbers revealed in exit polling and found an area of concern. “If exit poll numbers hold, Newsom will have seen an eight percentage point drop in support among Latino men,” Krauze wrote. “The shift might not seem sizable, but it carries a clear warning: Latino men have been moving steadily to the right.”
Writing for NBC News, Alex Seitz-Wald documented similar concerns from activists in the state.
“Donald Trump got a historic number of Latino votes in 2020, and you can claim it was because of this or because of that, but it’s not like Larry Elder” – the Republican who received the most votes in the unneeded replacement vote – “broke through for these folks,” strategist Michael Trujillo said. “There is something else going on.”
As Krauze pointed out, 56 percent of Hispanic men who voted on the replacement question picked Elder, according to those exit polls.
In response to this, I would offer three recommendations.
Don’t rely too much on exit polling for analysis like this. In 2004, President George W. Bush won reelection despite struggling for much of the campaign. According to exit polling, that was in part because he’d managed to secure 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, a larger figure than any Republican had netted in any prior election.
You’ll hear this on occasion, this bit of data about how well Bush did with Hispanics. You should then, however, hear this: take it with a grain of salt.
You’ll hear this on occasion, this bit of data about how well Bush did with Hispanics. You should then, however, hear this: take it with a grain of salt.
Here, for example, is a lengthy explanation from the Pew Research Center of why the results that year were shaky. Or you can read the analysis of the firm that did the polling, now called Edison Research. The firm constantly updates its processes to be as precise as possible, but it is still necessarily the case that estimates for smaller demographic groups yield larger margins of error.
Over the course of the past several decades, exit poll estimates for Hispanic voters in both presidential and House races have bounced around regularly. There’s not a big difference between the Republican vote share in the past few House elections and where it was 20 years ago.
Let’s consider just the past three elections. We have exit polling from Edison for the 2016 and 2020 presidential races, for the House races in those years and in 2018 – and we have validated voter-file analysis from Pew that compares polling on the election with actual voter records, providing a different look at who voted. In the 2020 presidential exit polls, Hispanics preferred the Democrat (Joe Biden) by 33 points.
Let’s consider just the past three elections. We have exit polling from Edison for the 2016 and 2020 presidential races, for the House races in those years and in 2018 – and we have validated voter-file analysis from Pew that compares polling on the election with actual voter records, providing a different look at who voted. In the 2020 presidential exit polls, Hispanics preferred the Democrat (Joe Biden) by 33 points.
In the House exit polls, though, the margin was 27 points. According to the Pew Research Center, the divide was only 21 points – a third lower than the presidential exit margin. Among Hispanic men, the margin was only 17 points in Pew’s analysis.
That, importantly, is not terribly different from where the California exit polls landed, but, for now, we should take those estimates with a grain of salt.
That, importantly, is not terribly different from where the California exit polls landed, but, for now, we should take those estimates with a grain of salt.
There was a clear shift in 2020.
That said, you can see in the Pew analysis that there was a shift from 2016 to 2020, one that, interestingly, is understated in the Hispanic presidential exit polls. We can see it when we compare the density of the Hispanic population in counties with the shift in their vote from 2016. See how this tornado of voting drifts off to the upper right?
That’s more-Hispanic counties voting much more heavily Republican.
There was a good analysis of this shift conducted by the firm Equis Labs earlier this year. It found that Trump may have been aided in 2020 by increased turnout from lower-propensity voters – that is, voters who didn’t usually turn out to vote. It also found that immigration had declined as a salient issue for Hispanics, centering the economy as an issue – and Hispanics saw more pre-pandemic job gains under Trump than other groups. What’s more, Trump’s specific focus on socialism may also have helped trigger increased support in southern Florida, as pre-election polling suggested.
As Seitz-Wald’s article makes clear, the 2020 shift, not specifically the recall, is the one raising the central questions for the Democratic Party. Is this actually a trend or is it an aberration? If so, how big of a problem will it be? The issue depends to some extent on an esoteric question about race. We’re pretty into the weeds now, but the question of what “Hispanic” actually means and how people identify themselves also overlaps with these questions.
Writing for Texas Monthly, Jack Herrera recently explored the question of why Hispanic voters in South Texas shifted to the right from 2016 to 2020. One of the reasons he isolated overlaps with the point above.
“Many Hispanic South Texans shared something else with non-Hispanic white rural Texans: their racial identity,” Herrera explained. “Hispanic residents of our state are much more likely to identify as white than Hispanic residents of cities elsewhere in the country. With roots many generations deep in lands that were annexed from Mexican control to that of the U.S., many also actively reject being cast as immigrants.”
Racial identities can be surprisingly fluid, something that the Census Bureau’s recently released 2020 estimates makes clear.
There was a good analysis of this shift conducted by the firm Equis Labs earlier this year. It found that Trump may have been aided in 2020 by increased turnout from lower-propensity voters – that is, voters who didn’t usually turn out to vote. It also found that immigration had declined as a salient issue for Hispanics, centering the economy as an issue – and Hispanics saw more pre-pandemic job gains under Trump than other groups. What’s more, Trump’s specific focus on socialism may also have helped trigger increased support in southern Florida, as pre-election polling suggested.
As Seitz-Wald’s article makes clear, the 2020 shift, not specifically the recall, is the one raising the central questions for the Democratic Party. Is this actually a trend or is it an aberration? If so, how big of a problem will it be? The issue depends to some extent on an esoteric question about race. We’re pretty into the weeds now, but the question of what “Hispanic” actually means and how people identify themselves also overlaps with these questions.
Writing for Texas Monthly, Jack Herrera recently explored the question of why Hispanic voters in South Texas shifted to the right from 2016 to 2020. One of the reasons he isolated overlaps with the point above.
“Many Hispanic South Texans shared something else with non-Hispanic white rural Texans: their racial identity,” Herrera explained. “Hispanic residents of our state are much more likely to identify as white than Hispanic residents of cities elsewhere in the country. With roots many generations deep in lands that were annexed from Mexican control to that of the U.S., many also actively reject being cast as immigrants.”
Racial identities can be surprisingly fluid, something that the Census Bureau’s recently released 2020 estimates makes clear.
The second-biggest racial group in the United States last year was people who identified themselves as “some other race” than those presented. The Hispanic community includes people from a broad range of geographic backgrounds and includes everyone from new immigrants to families that have been in America for more than a century.
It’s not clear how that intra-race diversity evolves in a political sense. That’s certainly true in California. It may be the case that the recall saw a shift that marks the beginning of a less-Democratic Hispanic electorate in the state. It may not be. We will simply have to wait to see.
37 comments:
And this is the ethnic group Trump called rapists.
Ah, Mejicanos. Nunca aprenden.
El Paya Jerry McHale writes this: "I am always holding politicians' feet to the fire and laughing loudly. I will not tolerate their lies. I have fought these bastards hundreds of times...."
Uh, McHale, what about Ben Neece? Nurith Galonsky? Sofia Benavides? Juan Magallanes? JOEY LOPEZ! Ralph Cowen? Phil Cowen? John Cowen? Nacho Garza? Joe Rodriguez (he dead)? Tony Z.? Adela Garza? ERIC GARZA! Steve Guerra? Daniella Lopez Valdez? Drue Brown? Carlos Cascos? Robert Sanchez? Sergio Zarate? Tad Hasse? Trey Mendez? Rick Longoria? Tim Ramirez? Caty Presas Garcia? Alejandra Aldrete? Amber Medina? Rene Oliveira? Eddie Lucio, III? Fil Vela? Laura Perez Reyes? Frankie Olivo? Bobby Lerma? John Chambers? Omar Lucio?....and on and on and on.
Yeah, their "feet to the fire." More like their feet into your mouth, Paya! ja ja ja ja ja
Vato sonso. Se le olvidan las mamadas, Apa!
But these Mexicans full-well know that Trump would never invite them to his home, except to do his lawn.
Trump had NO Hispanic in his Cabinet and try finding a photo of him meeting with any Hispanic in the White House!
Pobres Mejicanos. Siempre lambiendole el culo al gringo.
Not buying it, not with a meaningful percentage. Mexicans know who is for them - Democrat JOE BIDEN!!!
Puro pedo he's writing about cocos cause he's a coco himself the coco wants identity so he kisses white ass example los sucios, they even twist their lengua and they think they can fool the gringo. The gringos laughs at them and the cocos. LAMBISCONES YOU'LL NEVER NEVER BE WHITE and the gringos will NOT ALLOW YOU COCOS to be part of LA RAQUETA pinches jotos...
Siempre voy a extrañar a mi amada esposa Sara, era el amor de mi vida, y aunque yo nunca fui el amor para ella, siempre la voy a llevar en mi corazón, el gran amor que le tengo se lo dare a nuestras amadas hijitas ojala seas muy feliz amor mio, y ojala un día veas este comentario. Te amare por siempre aunque no estés a mi lado.
Democrats can no longer rely on The Palanca.
Philip Bump should be bum another coco wanna be white lambiscon y mentiroso must be from san bene - idiota
7 ways men live without working in America
The very first is you gotta be a hiilbilly they haven't work in centuries
Stay-at-home dad
A gringo term used widely to avoid work puros mamones about 50 million of them and they are all white gringos...
It’s important to note that every man in this group has his own story. They range from mentally ill homeless men, to the I’m-doing-just-fine-thank-you-very-much, retired early, and former Silicon Valley coder. And there are infinite scenarios in between those two extremes, including, for instance, the many men who have chosen to be stay-at-home dads while their spouses work.
There is one here that refuses to work and that includes looking for food. The hillbilly coco wanna be white can't say he's a stay at home dad cause he ain't got a wife to support this ugly guey, he ain't got no childre (thank God), but he thinks he's got trump es un pendejo y un gueyon.
Trump calls 'Crisis Crisis,' says US is becoming 'a cesspool of humanity'
I think he's talking about hillbilly coco wanna be white idiota he does live in a cesspool.
Police outnumber protesters at right-wing Capitol rally
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hillbilly coco wanna be white was stopped at the check point for being stupid and a moron pendejo - justice did prevail.
I am the Latino that this story is about. I was a life long democrat voter. It took President trump for me to realize I was wrong for blindly following the democrats. Me and a lot of my friends and family now realize that democrats have done nothing for our communities. Our congressman Vela is a perfect example. He has done nothing and does not communicate with us. Also we never see him. He is to busy for us while going to expensive parties and restaurants. I am no longer a democrat and now I am a registered independent voter who thinks for my self. I hope you start thinking for your self also. Democrats want to keep you poor so you are dependent on the government. Wake up my Latinos!
Trump never called us rapist. He was talking about the gang members coming across illegally. But you are to stupid to understand. My family came here legally. You are probably a dreamer.
Republican D.C. rally backing Jan. 6 riot defendants draws meager turnout.
About 200 people gathered peacefully near the Capitol under the watchful eye of a massive security presence.
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McAllen just elected a conservative Republican mayor this year. That is a big reason McAllen always kicks Brownsvilles ass.
They are smarter then their mojado cousins in Browntown.
They do it to "reject" their Mexicanism. Pero todavia son mojados!
Always the wetback.
Biden tambien es gringo pero más pendejo.
Polling was so discredited after the 2020 election. This is likely a neither here or there story.
Trump has the NAZI vote and that's all!
Hispanics: we are White. We are not Aztecs. YEAH !! LOL.
Be!ieve it, we are all brainwashed like the Hispanic democrats.
Conservative religious and family values, pro police and military, against abortion. Which party is that?
Trump thinks your the gardener and your wife the maid he thinks only about himself get that through your heads tontos.
The days of full covid coverage are over. Insurers are restoring deductibles and co-pays, leaving patients with big bills.There are only two states that mandates require insurance companies to cover 100% of treatment
Do you idiotas racist republicans think that the texas governor will do the same for you morons? All he wants is your vote he will never require insurance companies to cover 100% of treatment. Be happy trying to pay your medical bills he will never help.
Dallas Morning News -
Believing that Texas is on wrong path, Beto O’Rourke likely to challenge Greg Abbott for governor
Por eso estamos combo estamos. Nunca te compusiste. This is why we can't have nice things.
Look closely but the only brothers and sisters the media seems to show fotos appear to be those with limited education !
Don't see the teachers, don't see the bankers, don't see the business owners,
the graduates of community or local colleges, or universities.
Your statements are based on polls, polls and tell me these are reliable enough to stake your or my life on. I don't and will not.
Brothers / sisters, if you support Trump, have at it but do you really mean to say the ideas are what you support but not his lies, not his racism, not his anti american, anti mexican values.
VIVA LA RAZA, VIVA FELLOW MEXICAN - AMERICANS, VIVA TEJANOS Y VIAVA USA! ! !
They know who is for them? Who is for us.
Biden with the open borders?
Biden for abortion?
Biden with the socialist agenda?
Biden with the anti military plan
Biden with the high inflation?
Biden with the corona fighter and vaccine czar?
This is not the person that Hispanics are with
@ 8:43 AM - Hear his entire conversation. Trump said that Mexico was sending us drug dealers, child molesters and rapists. Yes he said it! Continue hearing it and he follows up with saying that some are good people. We all know that every race has their shit sticks. TRUMP 2024!
The shit show with Biden never fuking ends with this shit brain vegetable! You have over 10,000 Haiti illegals under a fuking Texas bridge! Then you have Kamala hiding in Biden's basement, still trying to figure out the root cause of the Border crisis! What a fuking joke we are to the whole world! That's what happens, when your number one priority is to secure the Capitol in DC, but leave the border open. And you idiotas believe he wants everyone vaccinated because he cares about your asses! Fuk all you vaccinated Lab rats for falling in Biden's force vaccine experiment! Don't complain later when you get anus cancer, like ese half coco hillbilly dumpster rat will get soon, por vacunarse el pendejo! Y el retarado commenter, Trump lost! Trump lost! Trump lost!...No Idiota! We all fuking lost! When este pinche vegetable cheated his way to office!!! Hahahahaha!
September 20, 2021 at 5:38 AM
RED-ASS!
September 19, 2021 at 9:17 AM
September 20, 2021 at 5:38 AM
Hillbillys you are good for only uno one vote pendejos nothing else.
Yes, Trump lost and Biden won legally, get over it. The one caught trying to cheat was Trump " Georgia find me 11k votes", and he claimed a rigged election? What a joke, nothing but lies.
Trump is the best thing that has ever happened for Progressives/Liberals. Watch Beto clean Abbott's clock. (wishful thinking) All the Republicans continue to show how they worship at the alter of Trump. A grave error for the GOP. Drop Trump and Trumpism or continue to lose elections. Maybe not in Texas, we ain't Californy after all, But Trumpeters will bring down the nationwide votes. The Trump voters are dying out, and the Jovenes are voting smarter. Maybe one more election for the GOP ,but that's it.
The only shift estos cocos made was to the floor on all four. MAMONES
The Democrat Party is made up of Hollywood elite, Media elite, broke ass folks in poverty looking for a handout and Marxists. As the Latinos climb the economic ladder they leave the Democrat Party behind and look forward to a better life. They have worked to hard for what they have and achieved to have it taxed away from them to pay for the Democrat wet dream.
To vote Democrat is like saying 'I'm Catholic' to a Mexican. Si tu!
Dejen de mamar la chichita y pónganse a jalar! Democrats don't do anything
But give freebies. Al último van a estar como Venezuela, Cuba, China, Canada.
Huevos es lo que les falta! Arriba Trump!
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